02-23-2021, 02:10 PM
I can understand the frustrations behind us trying to push for new GMs, because it feels like things are attempting to be rushed. However I don't think anyone is really trying to rush it that much. It could take as little as a week, it could take as long as a year or more to find more GMs.
As far as GSM's post, I think that it's okay to be upset about his being warned- though I don't think he stated it anywhere public that he'd be removing the post before it was actually taken down. He made a few good points, but it was also sort of aggressively put down, such as calling certain players revolting because of the way they play the game. I think it's best to be as polite as you can, even when trying to be honest. People will get really worked up if someone is being actively aggressive towards people even if it's not directed at them.
As for the comment on 'No one failed to agree to Eventmins', I've posted three Eventmin topics over the years that were shot down by both GMs and Players alike. It only came to pass that they liked the eventmins because they were implemented by Dev and were seen that they could be useful as an active community. People don't know what they want exactly until they have it. I recall that people often just want more of what they have, but sometimes that just gets nowhere.
For the terms of reporting players, it was just disruptive to see butt naked memes and furry pictures in the game. I admit that I'm the one that reported those two players. Even still, it's not like I did so to get them in trouble. It was so they would more likely change their profile and face icons, etc. It showed that they wouldn't even if I had told them or suggested them to, because they argued against the GM even when told to change it.
Now, this isn't exactly what would happen with every player- and I understand it might seem like some people jump the gun. Some of them do, that's true. With Ham's experience, I feel sort of sorry for it. It's very similar to 'one bad apple ruins the bunch' sort of thing. Because of the Stigma against lich players, it's really hard to get your foot in as an actual serious lich. One slip up and bam, people think you're a meme. Don't get discouraged, just try your best to continue working on the character. If people actively bully you over it, just try talking to them first- and if they remain calling you out, ask them to stop or at least get a GM or Moderator or whatever to talk to them. As much as other people's fun are important, so is yours.
It's not really that we're saying 'Oh the GMs aren't active so it's their fault everything's failing'. I don't think anyone's said that as far as I know- I mean sure we've had a few call outs, but those are mostly just specific instances and not an overall 'it's their fault' if you get what I mean? You're right, a lot of the community is at fault here- but that's the same with any community this large. We all have issues and it leaks into the game and forums.
For the idea of a complaint thread- no bars held and such- I think that's just asking for a fire. It might be good in concept, but I've seen what people do to each other when they're angry, see another person talking bad about them, etc. It just becomes a huge argument and it's not exactly healthy even if it lets some people get it off their chest. Complaints like that are best brought to a GM or to one's friends to help it get their chest off first, before it's brought to attention in a more civil, proper manner.
This post is sort of a mess that rambles on a lot, but I thought I should hit most of the points Ham put in just for clarities sake on certain things, as well as my opinions on a few things brought up. The following will be comments about other things.
I think that GMs currently just need more presence. Yes, they work, but they're not in view of the players and it hurts. Transparency, right? Not everything needs to be shown, but it'd be nice to know that GMs are there with us. Eventmins are currently trying to work on something similar to let players know 'Hey! We're doing something!', but it's slow going due to other issues. It's just hard to emphasize how much is going on when we can't share nor know about things, you get me?
For a new GM, I don't think a lack of bias is needed. Yeah, bias is bad for a GM position, but it's important to know that everyone has it, and that things will just get worse if we start piling on the 'You can't be bias, that's bad, stop having feelings' sort of attitude. Just have someone that's capable of putting those biases to the side. For the rest of the issues, I think that having someone on at least three times a week would be more than enough. That way the GMs can segregate what work they do.
As far as GSM's post, I think that it's okay to be upset about his being warned- though I don't think he stated it anywhere public that he'd be removing the post before it was actually taken down. He made a few good points, but it was also sort of aggressively put down, such as calling certain players revolting because of the way they play the game. I think it's best to be as polite as you can, even when trying to be honest. People will get really worked up if someone is being actively aggressive towards people even if it's not directed at them.
As for the comment on 'No one failed to agree to Eventmins', I've posted three Eventmin topics over the years that were shot down by both GMs and Players alike. It only came to pass that they liked the eventmins because they were implemented by Dev and were seen that they could be useful as an active community. People don't know what they want exactly until they have it. I recall that people often just want more of what they have, but sometimes that just gets nowhere.
For the terms of reporting players, it was just disruptive to see butt naked memes and furry pictures in the game. I admit that I'm the one that reported those two players. Even still, it's not like I did so to get them in trouble. It was so they would more likely change their profile and face icons, etc. It showed that they wouldn't even if I had told them or suggested them to, because they argued against the GM even when told to change it.
Now, this isn't exactly what would happen with every player- and I understand it might seem like some people jump the gun. Some of them do, that's true. With Ham's experience, I feel sort of sorry for it. It's very similar to 'one bad apple ruins the bunch' sort of thing. Because of the Stigma against lich players, it's really hard to get your foot in as an actual serious lich. One slip up and bam, people think you're a meme. Don't get discouraged, just try your best to continue working on the character. If people actively bully you over it, just try talking to them first- and if they remain calling you out, ask them to stop or at least get a GM or Moderator or whatever to talk to them. As much as other people's fun are important, so is yours.
It's not really that we're saying 'Oh the GMs aren't active so it's their fault everything's failing'. I don't think anyone's said that as far as I know- I mean sure we've had a few call outs, but those are mostly just specific instances and not an overall 'it's their fault' if you get what I mean? You're right, a lot of the community is at fault here- but that's the same with any community this large. We all have issues and it leaks into the game and forums.
For the idea of a complaint thread- no bars held and such- I think that's just asking for a fire. It might be good in concept, but I've seen what people do to each other when they're angry, see another person talking bad about them, etc. It just becomes a huge argument and it's not exactly healthy even if it lets some people get it off their chest. Complaints like that are best brought to a GM or to one's friends to help it get their chest off first, before it's brought to attention in a more civil, proper manner.
This post is sort of a mess that rambles on a lot, but I thought I should hit most of the points Ham put in just for clarities sake on certain things, as well as my opinions on a few things brought up. The following will be comments about other things.
I think that GMs currently just need more presence. Yes, they work, but they're not in view of the players and it hurts. Transparency, right? Not everything needs to be shown, but it'd be nice to know that GMs are there with us. Eventmins are currently trying to work on something similar to let players know 'Hey! We're doing something!', but it's slow going due to other issues. It's just hard to emphasize how much is going on when we can't share nor know about things, you get me?
For a new GM, I don't think a lack of bias is needed. Yeah, bias is bad for a GM position, but it's important to know that everyone has it, and that things will just get worse if we start piling on the 'You can't be bias, that's bad, stop having feelings' sort of attitude. Just have someone that's capable of putting those biases to the side. For the rest of the issues, I think that having someone on at least three times a week would be more than enough. That way the GMs can segregate what work they do.