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This update is just.. kind of.. eh.. balance wise
#11
(07-16-2025, 09:36 PM)Poruku Wrote: There's a couple good items, namely Holy Word and Kanabo. Most of it has bonuses so niche or small they aren't worth using, but that's nothing unusual for SL2.

I do think shinobi is a little disappointing because it lacks sauce. If the elemental arts were actually good it would be a lot better but as it stands it's just a mage class with a bit of utility. It just doesn't have the sauce it needs, even if the skills are fairly solid in themselves. It's like the class is missing one more passive that makes it strong. Like, "when you use an elemental spell, the damage of the next elemental spell you cast of a different element increases by 15%" or "You can use shuriken as casting tools and they gain damage and give any spell +1 range" or "After casting a spell your next shuriken or fist attack gains a bonus instance of 100% ele damage" or "make a free shuriken attack with 20% damage at a random enemy after casting a spell"

Holy Word is not a good weapon. It is an interesting weapon.

It is not good.
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#12
Fair enough lol
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#13
(07-16-2025, 09:36 PM)Poruku Wrote: I do think shinobi is a little disappointing because it lacks sauce. If the elemental arts were actually good it would be a lot better but as it stands it's just a mage class with a bit of utility. It just doesn't have the sauce it needs, even if the skills are fairly solid in themselves. It's like the class is missing one more passive that makes it strong. Like, "when you use an elemental spell, the damage of the next elemental spell you cast of a different element increases by 15%" or "You can use shuriken as casting tools and they gain damage and give any spell +1 range" or "After casting a spell your next shuriken or fist attack gains a bonus instance of 100% ele damage" or "make a free shuriken attack with 20% damage at a random enemy after casting a spell"

I actually think a lot of the utility elemental arts are pretty good, it's mainly the ones that are entirely focused on damage that are kinda whatever. I do agree that shurikens should also be considered casting tools. (PLEASE)
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#14
Avalanche strike, blood flows like magma (mostly in pve), and the crit evade one are the best in my eyes.

Phoenix, firestorm, the 3 kensei debuffing clones, critical blaze, and the water shark, are lackluster because the damage is simply too low.

I don't know enough about wind shuriken and stalagmite shuriken, but it seems a little underwhelming. Overall, the effects are usually not worth it compared to simply doing proper damage with like the magma one.

A problem with this is that there's only one earth skill you can use reliably in a fight. But the bigger problem with shinobi is that other mage classes are a little more powerful, the main advantage of shinobi being the evade. Yet the evade tile is sadly not very reliable since you can be pushed out of it in many ways.

Overall I will say it's a fine class. But the majority of the elemental arts would benefit from being simply proper raw damage instead of bad damage with tiny buffs/debuffs. Either you give a good buff like the 60 crit evade, or you shrimply do damage like magma. Critical blaze should be like, 100% fire/wind. And it could still give like +10 crit buff and be balanced.
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(07-19-2025, 05:25 PM)Poruku Wrote: Phoenix, firestorm, the 3 kensei debuffing clones, critical blaze, and the water shark, are lackluster because the damage is simply too low.

There's also the darkness generating one that heals + gives dark vision. Phoenix is way better than you give credit for, it's legitimately just firebird plumes tacked onto a class with combination fighter, combination fighter and geldoren mind you. The end damage is low but it's a bonus, not the main desire. Water Shark and Firestorm is fine by virtue of being able to use it before engaging, Water Shark also gives you extra water tiles to use for your big heal. Nest generating ninjutsu are also extremely undervalued, they're amazing for the combos they're designed to support. I do agree on the clones being lackluster, but applying kensei debuffs is huge. Especially when one of them is a hit debuff.

Keep in mind, the main thing about these shinobi arts is that you can keep 3 seals stockpiled and double up on a ninjutsu + elemental art cast. Their large value is in storing up casts rather than just straight up using them raw all of the time. Rainbow Art is one of the most notable examples of such. 

Are they super strong like pre-rework Evoker charge mind in terms of stored power? Absolutely not, but I believe they have a lot more value than you're giving them credit for.

Also the evade tile prevents push and pull effects, so most things shouldn't move you out of it as well.
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#16
Yeah, one of the things that does push you out of it is your own parry skill though... And anything that spawns an object like tombstone, cherry blossom etc
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#17
(07-19-2025, 10:47 PM)Miller Wrote: [Snip]
Also the evade tile prevents push and pull effects, so most things shouldn't move you out of it as well.

Unfortunately, Crane Hop. Anything that creates a dense tile (Ice Point, Cherry Blossom, Gravestone).. Warning Shot.. Conductor's Direction. Anything that consists of the target Moving (Not push/pull)...

There are tones of things that Just Straight Up Nullify this ability. Also anything like Advancing Flow, False Target (Lmao).. Or things that just ignore Push/Pull immunity! Such as: Bellowing Stag, Excel Stone dragon.
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#18
"Most things"

I'm well aware that some things do actually move you out of it. Chaser is actually one of the scariest things in regards to ignoring the immunity.
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#19
Shippu should just be something that you have to start a round on top of to get its effects for 2 rounds. As is as a field effect, it doesn't do its job due to basic game mechanics.
what the heck!!!

im not part of the abc news

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