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This update is just.. kind of.. eh.. balance wise
#11
(07-16-2025, 09:36 PM)Poruku Wrote: There's a couple good items, namely Holy Word and Kanabo. Most of it has bonuses so niche or small they aren't worth using, but that's nothing unusual for SL2.

I do think shinobi is a little disappointing because it lacks sauce. If the elemental arts were actually good it would be a lot better but as it stands it's just a mage class with a bit of utility. It just doesn't have the sauce it needs, even if the skills are fairly solid in themselves. It's like the class is missing one more passive that makes it strong. Like, "when you use an elemental spell, the damage of the next elemental spell you cast of a different element increases by 15%" or "You can use shuriken as casting tools and they gain damage and give any spell +1 range" or "After casting a spell your next shuriken or fist attack gains a bonus instance of 100% ele damage" or "make a free shuriken attack with 20% damage at a random enemy after casting a spell"

Holy Word is not a good weapon. It is an interesting weapon.

It is not good.
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#12
Fair enough lol
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(07-16-2025, 09:36 PM)Poruku Wrote: I do think shinobi is a little disappointing because it lacks sauce. If the elemental arts were actually good it would be a lot better but as it stands it's just a mage class with a bit of utility. It just doesn't have the sauce it needs, even if the skills are fairly solid in themselves. It's like the class is missing one more passive that makes it strong. Like, "when you use an elemental spell, the damage of the next elemental spell you cast of a different element increases by 15%" or "You can use shuriken as casting tools and they gain damage and give any spell +1 range" or "After casting a spell your next shuriken or fist attack gains a bonus instance of 100% ele damage" or "make a free shuriken attack with 20% damage at a random enemy after casting a spell"

I actually think a lot of the utility elemental arts are pretty good, it's mainly the ones that are entirely focused on damage that are kinda whatever. I do agree that shurikens should also be considered casting tools. (PLEASE)
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Avalanche strike, blood flows like magma (mostly in pve), and the crit evade one are the best in my eyes.

Phoenix, firestorm, the 3 kensei debuffing clones, critical blaze, and the water shark, are lackluster because the damage is simply too low.

I don't know enough about wind shuriken and stalagmite shuriken, but it seems a little underwhelming. Overall, the effects are usually not worth it compared to simply doing proper damage with like the magma one.

A problem with this is that there's only one earth skill you can use reliably in a fight. But the bigger problem with shinobi is that other mage classes are a little more powerful, the main advantage of shinobi being the evade. Yet the evade tile is sadly not very reliable since you can be pushed out of it in many ways.

Overall I will say it's a fine class. But the majority of the elemental arts would benefit from being simply proper raw damage instead of bad damage with tiny buffs/debuffs. Either you give a good buff like the 60 crit evade, or you shrimply do damage like magma. Critical blaze should be like, 100% fire/wind. And it could still give like +10 crit buff and be balanced.
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