(10-04-2022, 12:03 AM)Kazzy Wrote: The entire concept of the /class/ needs an examination. As stands, it's just Ice mage Ultimate and a coinflip. Either you have something that makes the class completely impotent, or they win. There is no in between with the sheer amount of map control and damage that a Verglas puts out.
Winters Bite wouldn't have even been the thing I put a CD on personally. I would have slapped that on Ice Spear or Expanding Ice.
The entire concept of the class is fine. DPS balance is dictated solely upon the superiority of elemental scaling and application of said ability, in this case, expanding ice, icicle spear (empowered) have nigh unlimited application due to their global or situationally global ranges.
The building blocks are all there for the class to succeed as a melee focused class, the damage however is not, as SWA scaling abilities without lightning augment on a weapon that cannot be 2handed just don't work as well as they should, with only cold front and rapid kick (again, empowered) holding a candle to the fox stance skills due to their versatility and additional ice ATK scaling tacked onto them under certain conditions. I would dare say that Verglas is actually one of the most well designed classes in the game, and is the very definition of how exceedingly good elemental scaling is over SWA, melee Verglas can feel very satisfying to use if you don't care about the other part that is clearly superior.
Verglas currently stands as a very snowball-y class, it does take it's sweet ass time to get up and running but you feel it when it does, I prefer that style stay to it's fox stance skills. I agree fully that Winter's Bite should not have been targeted however, and that it's outliers should have at least been looked at, those being the empowered versions of Icicle Spear, Rapid Kick and Crawling Spikes, all 3 of these empowered versions drive enough fear to say that ice resistance is necessary to help win the matchup.
Also I think Expanding Ice is fine, it has counterplay options and cannot be their sole offense without serious repercussions to their FP pools.