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Katanas in GR2
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(08-24-2021, 11:10 PM)Yashatari Wrote: "while SWA is inherently more valuable"
Where did you read SWA? I said the WEAPONS BASE POWER, Not the scaling weapon attack.

Base power adds into SWA so regardless it still applies, Scaled Weapon Attack refers to the total sum of your scaling * 1.5 and the weapon power itself added at the end, increased base power would only increase the likes of Volcanic and/or Rampaging in efficiency really. Raising weapon base power doesn't really do anything different than SWA anyway, you'd have to raise base weapon power by about 5-7 to have the same as 10% more total SWA

The reason I say SWA is more inherently valuable is because for Kensei specifically, they utilize a lot of special attacks, they want high SWA but it only gets up so far, before critical damage starts outscaling it in potential damage output, having 60 STR and 30 GUI is often better than having 80 STR for one such example.

Quote:"especially since the stat associated gives a ton of hit for them to utilize"
Which stat is this?(Rhetoricle question) Because i don't use flanking or Crit damage.
I use chilvary for my hit and i only crit for the Fluer proc.

Well that's great and all, and I also have a kensei who works very similarly, utilizing Chivalry and Sadistic Renewal for high FP Regen on hit, with higher critical rates just for fleur and utility, but that's one build out of the many that are possible. And the bonuses of GUI cannot be denied very easily, especially when flanking's hit bonus ignores the cap, and absolute pace is actually good now and will apply to Wazabane, high critical damage further boosts that up by a ton.

It makes me wish in general a lot of Katana were focused down upon that mix of SWA and Critical damage a lot more than they currently are, because having a weapon class that double dips for it is pretty cool and unique to a lot of other classes in the game I feel.

Quote:"finesse encompasses more than just Kensei, to re-iterate, Finesse covers 23 weapons, only 9 of those being katanas, 2 of which already having 125% critical damage."
Those 125% crit damage weapons, The wa dao and hisen are crit focused swords. Yes, They have more crit damage, But i use the swords that can goto 20 weight for 2handed.

A crit damage boost only benefits a crit heavy playstyle.
A +1 to the base power of the weapon benefits all styles.
I'll add onto this arguement, I'd rather the base accuracy go from 85%->86%

Crit damage is nice, Sure, But not every kensei builds for it. That's a narrowminded way to look at it.


Yes but we're talking about a class of weapons that is being slotted into the role of being a lot more dexterity focused than the other weapons, but simply doesn't deliver at the current moment due to the lesser scaling than elemental scalings, "Cold" is just a better Finesse tag, but instead of bumping up Finesse or individually buffing every finesse weapon in the game to band-aid fix them, why not give them a more unique role?

Band-aid fixing the frustrations that you feel here with +1 power or +1 accuracy hardly changes anything remotely, but I assume these values to be hyperbole to express your distaste for my idea, even though logistically, it makes more sense for a weapon tag that identifies it as being more dexterity based than raw power focused.

It should also be noted that mathematically speaking, if you are attacking even once per turn with 10-15% more critical damage, it will often beat out a minimal power increase, but usually not an equivalent SWA increase.
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Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 01:27 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Lolzytripd - 08-24-2021, 04:33 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 05:01 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Lolzytripd - 08-24-2021, 05:18 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 06:09 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Lolzytripd - 08-24-2021, 06:23 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 06:42 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Tanasinn - 08-24-2021, 07:07 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 07:12 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Autumn - 08-24-2021, 09:58 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 10:09 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Autumn - 08-24-2021, 10:27 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-24-2021, 11:10 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Autumn - 08-24-2021, 11:59 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Yashatari - 08-25-2021, 12:21 AM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Snake - 08-26-2021, 04:46 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Shujin - 08-26-2021, 05:38 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Poruku - 08-28-2021, 07:23 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Lolzytripd - 08-28-2021, 07:33 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Neus - 09-18-2021, 12:52 AM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Kazzy - 09-18-2021, 12:58 AM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Shujin - 09-18-2021, 04:43 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Snake - 09-19-2021, 04:53 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Lolzytripd - 09-19-2021, 08:05 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Kazzy - 09-20-2021, 04:46 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Lolzytripd - 09-20-2021, 06:20 PM
RE: Katanas in GR2 - by Kazzy - 09-21-2021, 01:52 AM

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