02-12-2016, 04:18 PM
I don't think that 3, 4, or 5 will help the situation. The issue isn't that Evoker/Hexer clears too good.. It's that the other classes simply don't perform as well against 8+ enemies. Evokers/Hexers can simply kill 8 enemies, all in about the exact same amount of time (Round 1 or 2 usually) because of the way large scale AoE attacks work. While 'nerfing' that would seem to solve the issue, there rises another one in it's place.
The Grind is horrendously worse now. The only way to offset The Grind being harder now would be to give increased XP. What does that do in the end? Well it still makes leveling super fucking difficult, but it does a few different things. If we increase the XP gain for hunting, we still run into the issue of 'muh evoker kills it faster'. Fight Clear bonuses, for the people that don't use certain things could be a step in the right direction for The Grind. Winning by only using Physical Attacks (No spells, essentially)? XP Modifier. This would have to be applied to the entire party, so the entire party might be forced to try something like this. I like the idea of SKI factoring in for how much XP one gains, but we still hit another issue there.
"Certain classes get little to no skill. Are they inherently worse for leveling?"
This raises an entirely new problem. Tank Builds with no SKI just start falling off because it takes longer to grind (though the benefits are sooooo damn good). I think there was a thread, some time ago, for leveling. It encouraged people to level up by making certain classes have... "Experience Modifiers". With Evoker and Hexer having the smallest modifier at 1x, iirc. It went up to something like 2.5x or 3x with some melee classes (BK I think was one of them). It might seem like it might make parties level up at different rates, but it used the lowest party XP modifier. Have a team of BKs grinding together? Everyone gets 3x or something like that.
There are a lot of options for The Grind to 60... and while I think making it obsolete would be nice so that we can have characters that we're actually proud/happy of.... It also takes away from the game. The Grind is one of the biggest walls in the Game's fun. If it isn't you who's grinding, it's someone you're wanting to RP with (( STARING AT YOU PAPA JOHN AND FERN ))
The Grind is horrendously worse now. The only way to offset The Grind being harder now would be to give increased XP. What does that do in the end? Well it still makes leveling super fucking difficult, but it does a few different things. If we increase the XP gain for hunting, we still run into the issue of 'muh evoker kills it faster'. Fight Clear bonuses, for the people that don't use certain things could be a step in the right direction for The Grind. Winning by only using Physical Attacks (No spells, essentially)? XP Modifier. This would have to be applied to the entire party, so the entire party might be forced to try something like this. I like the idea of SKI factoring in for how much XP one gains, but we still hit another issue there.
"Certain classes get little to no skill. Are they inherently worse for leveling?"
This raises an entirely new problem. Tank Builds with no SKI just start falling off because it takes longer to grind (though the benefits are sooooo damn good). I think there was a thread, some time ago, for leveling. It encouraged people to level up by making certain classes have... "Experience Modifiers". With Evoker and Hexer having the smallest modifier at 1x, iirc. It went up to something like 2.5x or 3x with some melee classes (BK I think was one of them). It might seem like it might make parties level up at different rates, but it used the lowest party XP modifier. Have a team of BKs grinding together? Everyone gets 3x or something like that.
There are a lot of options for The Grind to 60... and while I think making it obsolete would be nice so that we can have characters that we're actually proud/happy of.... It also takes away from the game. The Grind is one of the biggest walls in the Game's fun. If it isn't you who's grinding, it's someone you're wanting to RP with (( STARING AT YOU PAPA JOHN AND FERN ))