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Fluer'd - Ryu-Kazuki - 11-29-2014
Okay, so realizing the potential of this skill, it's a bit ridiculous and needs at least some kind of limitation.
With Fluer, it's +1M every time you crit, meaning it's +2M with the skill equipped.
In calculation, that can add up to.
7M start
Basic attack; -3M, +2M from crit, in the end leading to 6M.
Sub-attack after basic attack; -3M, +2M from crit, 5M total.
Physical attack skill (Power Gradation) that results in allowing crits; -3M, +2 from crit, 4M total.
Any other attack, -3M, leftover 1M, turn ends.
With that sort of combination, that's four attacks in one turn. It's not impossible to get ridiculously high crit rates, especially now with weapon customization parts. A third attack is pretty okay, but when you're jabbing people with 4 attacks in a row, that's beyond even broken in terms of PvP combat. I'm not sure what to do in order to limit it, but this is an overkill.
Re: Fluer'd - Lolzytripd - 11-29-2014
I've been complaining about this forever, it makes duelist the most prefered subclass on anyone who tries to crit.
duelist already has riposte
remove fluer
add two traits that are mutually exclusive
Elemental satisfaction, it invigorates you with 1 more m when you see an enemy suffer an elemental weakness caused by you.
Battle high "fluer's effect"
Re: Fluer'd - Daisuke - 11-29-2014
Whatever happened to "Crits don't happen very often"?
Re: Fluer'd - Lolzytripd - 11-29-2014
weapon mods
also
monks, Va, Engineer, Arbalest, Kensei, and ghosts have decent-amazing critbonuses and gunners almost always get 1/x of their shots to crit per attack.
Re: Fluer'd - Daisuke - 11-29-2014
That's what I'm saying but apparently that's not a common thing -shrug-
Re: Fluer'd - Ryu-Kazuki - 11-29-2014
"[url=http://neus-projects.net/viewtopic.php?p=1295#p1295 Wrote:Daisuke » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:42 am[/url]"]Whatever happened to "Crits don't happen very often"?
Please don't come in here getting mad because I said something against your suggestion before. I can be proven wrong about some facts with modifiers and other things, but crits aren't a 100% thing. If you don't have anything to contribute to the topic, please don't post.
Re: Fluer'd - Lolzytripd - 11-29-2014
I'd say that if you are honestly trying to crit, you will
equip a wodao with crit mods, be kensei.
vorpal
va's get +60, +northenwind
light weapons on ghosts get+25
monk gets a ki based crit bonus
getting crit isn't hard.
Re: Fluer'd - Joseph Jostar - 11-29-2014
Isn't crit momentum supposed to be limited to a single instance per round? In which case this'd be more of a bug thing than balance if it works like you're saying it does.
Re: Fluer'd - Ryu-Kazuki - 11-29-2014
"[url=http://neus-projects.net/viewtopic.php?p=1300#p1300 Wrote:Joseph Jostar » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:02 am[/url]"]Isn't crit momentum supposed to be limited to a single instance per round? In which case this'd be more of a bug thing than balance if it works like you're saying it does.
I wasn't aware of any of this. I know Fluer is supposed to be +2 per crit, but I didn't know there was a limit.
Re: Fluer'd - Daisuke - 11-29-2014
Is it not contributing? You're making a topic using a scenario that requires using a sub weapon and specializing in crit.
Either A: This scenario requires specific gear, stats, and is a simple cheese build that not many people can do because "Crits don't happen very often", especially with BW being a thing and making dual weapons less frequent
or B: Crits are very likely to happen (because of easily accessible mods and skill being a stat that's available to every melee build) and happen often enough for this to actually be a problem and something should be changed with fluer. My suggestion is you have it not count as a separate instance when you crit with sub weapons.
It just so happens that point B goes against what you said earlier. So I'm wondering whatever happened to that.