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About Poor Roleplay - Slydria - 10-04-2015 I feel lately we've been getting many new or fairly new players who have a poor understanding on the roleplaying standards we have here and often divulge in making the ridiculous happen. Just to give you a taste of what I've had to deal with in the past couple of days, first, I had a situation in which a Hyattr laid an egg, gave birth to a what was basically a teenager in appearance and it was all done without a male involved in the birth. Then during sorting that out, I had to deal with an aggressive individual who was rather upset that their character (a female Doriad) could not impregnate other females. They tried to argue they could do such because 'magic' exists and because supposedly another character used 'breast enlargement pills'. And after being told that they cannot several times, they threw a tantrum and made their exit. Then today, I've had someone with this troubling description that sounds more like the beginning of a terrible fanfiction. While it seems painfully obvious that this is poor roleplay, it mustn't be so obvious to them. Unfortunately, it can be rather difficult to explain to them why this is. "That's not how things work here, please change it" is usually met with resistance. "But someone else was doing X, why can't I do Y?" or "Geez, ruin my fun why don't you?" I think something that could help this issue is a much more comprehensive roleplaying guide because the one we have now is rather bare: http://sl2.wikia.com/wiki/Roleplay_Guide Anyway, I felt I just needed to vent about this topic because it's getting on my nerves and this kind of thing just leads to a cycle of poor roleplayers encouraging poor roleplay leading to more poor roleplayers while the better roleplayers get fed up and distance themselves or quit altogether. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Prism - 10-04-2015 Agreed. People like this just show that they have no respect for the world lore, and want to do whatever they want. It's one thing to be creative and another thing to kill other player's immersion. At least what little of it remains. Some of these players might be young or new to RP, but tough love is sometimes in order. Constructive criticism helps us improve as character creators. At the very least we can't let them give the admins crap for trying to keep the world from devolving into absolute nonsense. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Ranylyn - 10-04-2015 100% agreed. While I may not always agree with the GMs on every issue (I mean, I've been warned for "antagonizing" people when I was being harrassed simply for suggesting someone make an effort to type properly; and I don't mean I was singling out typos, but I mean they were saying things like ASL, IKR, and LOL icly - but I also understand that the GM in question was not present when this started and gets enough backtalk that they would naturally not want my explanation) the fact remains that they're just doing their jobs and the game would be worse if we had no enforcers, so I'm 100% in favor of encouraging a more proper understanding of the lore and rules rather than needing to have the GMs come in and get argued with. I get that not everyone will be skilled at roleplay. But then you have instances like Slydria mentioned, of examples that could be avoided if people just understand the lore. For example, since almost all races (outside of Mechanations and Doriads, and very maybe possibly elves and redtails, I'm unsure as to their full backstory) used to be human generations ago and were changed either by a patron diety or some form of corruptive influence (I'm counting Wyverntouched here, as it's the only known example of a "mixed race" we can safely assume that they all follow basic biology similar to humans, such as being warm blooded, giving live birth, not engaging in photosynthesis, et cetera. Yet, I also remember many, MANY examples of people simply not understanding the lore. Such as... - A 300+ year old phenix who became a child again every time they died. Because obvious inspiration from mythological Phoenix. - A Human/Elf couple giving birth to a Redtail because the human was part Redtail from like 10 generations ago. - Vampires hissing and steaming and running indoors when the sun comes up. - Kaelensia with hereditary heterochromia as an IC trait. (I can undersand lacking the talent to recolor an otherwise good picture, but...) - A dullahan transferring their soul into a mechanation. I don't even. - Warriors with no magical talent becoming liches to have an eternity to master their swordsmanship, the ritual being magical ignored, just to have an OOC excuse to make a melee lich just to be a special little snowflake. - Liches who were forced to perform the ritual by another, because giving someone else the power to destroy you in revenge is smart! - Shaitans parading themselves around Cellsvich, loudly discussing their condition with anyone who will listen, despite the Empire's tendency to cut it's problems in half and insisting Shaitans don't exist. This is the fantasy Equivalent of taking history books that contradict the Chinese governments' statements on the issues to China and distributing them publicly. You would not last long. These Shaitans have endured for IC years. - People that are 9+ feet tall. They're supposed to just be humans with modified features. Humans don't get that tall. Even the very VERY few examples of 8+ feet people have horrendous health problems from being so tall. - Someone seriously tried to prove their strength once by ICly suplexing the entire arena. Yes, the stone walls. They succeeded. PHYSICS SAY NO! What's next, slashing a skyscraper in half with a sword? Just because it happened in the FF7 movie isn't an open invitation to try it, since it's easily more bullshit than suplexing an arena. - An elf ICly visited their family in Mersales twice a year. If I need to explain why this is wrong, please spend 24 hours poring over the Elf page on the Wiki, with an additional 72 hours if this was not enough time to understand the problem. If this extra 72 hours was not long enough, please consider learning the English Language before joining a mainly English community as you clearly don't understand simple words. - There was a Shaitan whose blood would cool to -100c and heat to 200c (100c colder than the freezing point of water, and 100c hotter than the boiling point of water) at Purple/Red Iahsus respectively. Um, yeah, while the lore doesn't actually explicitly state this doesn't happen, I think being that cold would do a little more than make one feel slightly relaxed, and I think being that hot would do a little more than make one feel irate. Just seems needlessly "look how hardcore I am." - etc etc. We really do need to encourage more people to actually read the lore and rules. It's not a high wall to surmount (I mean, you can literally just read up on the one race you want to play, have a logical thought proccess when it comes to things like proportions and capabilities, and learn the rest ICly as time goes on) and yeah. If people don't feel that I'm being too harsh (or lenient, considerng) I'm more than willing to draft a new Roleplay Guide for Dev, Sly, and Chaos to look over and adjust as needed, to save them the work of making a new one from scratch, themselves. Just let me know if this would be appreciated. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Clockworkers Doll - 10-04-2015 Post before reading Ranylyn's: I think a lot of the issue is players who want to try to do something, but don't bother to fact check before doing it, and then complain when someone points it out. (Hyatt being dead is a recent example I can remember.) I can totally deal with newbie RPers, since as long as you don't instantly go "BAH UR A SHIT REEEEEEEEEE" they're usually open to help. Just teach them the ropes and tell them if they break something, and maybe help with come up with an alternative. But then you sadly also have the people that Sly had to deal with, who think this is some kinda CoC simulator. [strike]I can kind of see why they want to cut the males out of the birthgiving process... But that person's reason was just because they're a lesbian, and not trying to figure out a way Sigrogana can be repopulated when 90% of the population is a lesbian.[/strike] But if they're gonna be a shitter, just leave 'em to rot out or take it to Sly/Chaos. That's the general way to try and deal with Newbie RPers. But then I think some of the issue falls on people who aren't-so-new to RP, but still constantly disregard lore. The multiple Wingless Hyattr/Corbie/Phenex issues, 'I'm 15 but I can fight live I've trained for 20 years', not reading the lore blurb near character creation (non-doriatic Doriads, Vampires not getting weaker without blood, as two examples), etc. Outside of lore, there's creating drama for no reason, starting shit for OOC reasons, people making like 4 characters that all have the same personality, characters with the same edgy/unoriginal backstory (see Slydria's profile screenshot)... These are just the things I've noticed going on ICly, and it's probably the biggest gripe I can have for the RP side of SL2. TL;DR: I could start a collection of poor RPers if I really wanted too, and it'd probably get decently big within a day. After reading Ranylyn's: Ffffffffucking this. All of this. 10/10. Quote:- People that are 9+ feet tall. They're supposed to just be humans with modified features. Humans don't get that tall. Even the very VERY few examples of 8+ feet people have horrendous health problems from being so tall.Especially this. Might I add about people that are also like, 3'1" at age 30? Being a midget isn't exactly common. Women are also generally not that tall, so I doubt you would find one that was 6'5"-7" feet tall. But yet, we got people who think that like, being a Hyattr makes you a goddamn giant. Re: About Poor Roleplay - catabur - 10-04-2015 I decided to draft a guide up. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Slydria - 10-13-2015 http://sl2.wikia.com/wiki/Roleplay_Guide Alright, I finally got around to doing something for this. So take a look, feel free to make suggestions if you think something's missing or if I should change something I've written. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Mivereous - 10-13-2015 Could probably link Lore Questions subforum at the spot it's mentioned, and maybe mention the skills thing in the same manner you have done classes ("Wow a Sear, you must be an Evoker!". Otherwise perfectly understandable and should be put in that empty "Guides" section in the title screen, since they've been coming so soon for two years now. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Slydria - 10-13-2015 Noted, I've added that link and a little more to the 'Differentiating Gameplay from Roleplay' section about that. Re: About Poor Roleplay - Sarinpa1 - 10-14-2015 Reading Cataburs notes about various races and with the flood of...comedy liches? I have no idea what to call them, it might be worth it to add a reminder what exactly are the prerequisites to actualy become a lich. To my understanding, being a very good and knowledgable mage is number one requirement..and the reason why they do it is to archieve immortality, greater power, at the cost of their own body, reputation in many circles and let us not forget the insane risk that comes with it. Far too many seem to outright ignore that with their goofy friendly liches that don't seem to be able to do basic math. Something I've seen less, but still happened, was people outright ignoring what it means to be a Dullahan. And let's not forget our resident loli vamps that'll munch on someone in the middle of Cellsvich. So yeah, I think it would be good to add atleast some guidelines regarding the special races. (And perhaps make a remark about feral kalenesia too in the cliche part.) |